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PANORAMA; INQUIRY SHOCK, THE NIGHT OF THE BRAVE JOURNALIST GAY PRIESTS HIDDEN CAMERA, PHOTO-VIDEO ON THE DOUBLE LIFE (ANSA) - ROMA, 22 LUG - Preti surprised to attend the meeting places for gay Roman, movies with a hidden camera during night parties with 'prostitutes' and even during a homosexual relationship with a casual partner: and 'this is the result of an investigation conducted by the weekly magazine Panorama, which slams the cover in the next issue''The good nights of gay priests,''complete with a picture of two hands clasped a rosary with the enamel on the nails. '
' for twenty days - says the magazine - a reporter for Panorama, together with an accomplice, gay, and you 'good evening infiltrated some priests in Rome, leading an amazing double life: day are priests in cassocks, at night, stopped his habit, men are perfectly integrated into the gay circles of the capital.'' Panorama says it has found''numerous instances''and''to have told three in particular,''using fancy names: Paul, French priest of 35 years, Charles, on 45, and Luke,''''boarded up Internet and then again in his home during a homosexual relationship with the complicity of the reporter. The investigation said the first meeting took place according to Panorama on July 2, between the reporter and his gay partner with his father Paul, a restaurant in the Testaccio area of \u200b\u200bRome, also Charles. Before them,''two men danced half-naked escort'' with several men, including Paul, by then having sex with some of them. Leaving the room, the gay partner of the Panorama reporter was invited to the home of Paul, asked him to wear a cassock and a homosexual relationship, with the movie camera. All videos in support of the investigation - says the magazine - will be available from tomorrow on the digital version of sull'iPad iPanorama. The next night, always tells Panorama, Paul and Charles was reviewed by the Panorama reporter and his accomplice to the Gay Village in Rome,''the weekly highlights show, - to be comfortable in that environment.'' The next day, Sunday, July 4, according to Panorama, Paul celebrated Mass on a table in your home, the presence of the Panorama reporter and his accomplice. Panorama claims to have occurred''and that Paul 'actually a priest.'' With Charles there 'a second meeting in a restaurant in the center of Rome,''usually frequented by gays.'' At the end of lunch,''Charles led the accomplice of his apartment in Panorama, which is' connected to a big church structure, and had a sexual relationship''with him, this one taken by hidden camera. The Panorama reporter''- says even the weekly - Carlo has also filmed as he celebrated Mass in a church not far from his apartment.'' The third priest, Luke, 'was approached by Panorama over the Internet, chat on a homosexual after an explicit approach, which 'after a meeting, the meeting' took place July 6 in front of the church''a Catholic mission.''
SEMINARS, FESTIVALS A homosexual I do not feel sick 'DISCOVERED MANY ARE EXPELLED, other obligations' RECOVERY COURSES''(ANSA) - ROMA, 22 LUG -''Oh yes, 'and' difficult, but I do that? I am not ill, are normal. I want to live my life and make my choices freely.'' Words such plan against the backdrop of one of the most 'beautiful parks of Rome EUR, a few meters from the grand entrance of the Gay Village, the open-air nightclub devoted to gay where smiling faces and friendly people are open to anyone, despite the advances on Service Panorama indicating that place as a landmark of gay priests. For anyone who is taken to include him, seminarian and priest, however, suited and waiting, which bring himself to talk only when assured him that it will not have 'a name and never ever face. Homosexuality'''is a fertile ground in which the church has caught their children - he says -: people who lived in silence and marginalized their loneliness, which were not a family' cause they could not, gay repressed. And now we live our lives desperately hiding. And here in Rome and 'more' easy to get confused.'' But 'the witch hunt''that the Vatican has started making more' evil,''the philosophy for which the homosexual''and 'a pedophile. We are not pedophiles,''protest. He does not, and ': young man', but not so 'young to be' categorized ',''condemns this prudery that is consumed around us.'' Talk and would like to talk more, 'but does not trust. Pero 'alludes to''internal''remedial courses where the church''sends those of us who are not expelled. To the north is' one of these centers, in Lombardy.'' A persecution''tangible, comprehensive and devastating,''which led to express the official Church to expel many of''us,''he concludes.
VIA SMS CALL AND CHAT, SO 'IN ROME CLERO-RAVE/ANSA LOCAL organizing social events, less frequently GAY VILLAGE (Chiara Carenini) (ANSA) - ROMA, July 22 - Rave and only afterhours gay priests. The call travels via SMS and local people are always the same. But often the names of the local host private parties only for homosexual men are entrusted to chat. Just like going to raves and afterhours, dedicated and exclusive gatherings. Cosi 'in Rome we find the community' of gay priests, at least according to what is said Fabrizio Marrazzo Arcigay of Rome. ''It 's not a mystery that there are priests and priests in Rome who attend gay venues and environments - Marrazzo said - but of course it is private parties. Anyway, certainly do not condemn this.'' SMS and chat ensure anonymity and exclusivity '. Of these, whose names have been passed with a decent word of mouth, someone gravity the parties to the gay-street, Via di San Giovanni in Laterano, from other parts of Testaccio. As the '69 ', attended a meeting place for theme parties and only for gay men. At the Gay Village in Rome, one of the clubs' dedicated 'more open' largest in Italy, privacy and 'a must also because'''when they are certainly not wearing the robe.'' Pero 'someone you escape that, although the phenomenon is in sharp decline,''some seminarian is to dance here, obviously in disguise because' the Village 'always in the spotlight.'' About the investigation of the weekly Panorama, announcing a service in the next issue shows that priests found to attend the meeting places for gay Roman Marrazzo explained that the On 2 July, the eve of Gay Pride in the capital, the French priest referred to the local state could be'''69 'in the Testaccio district, where they often are organized for gay afterhours,''around 5 am . This falls within the local clubs where parties are organized for gay men. For Marrazzo, however,''the Gay Village and 'definitely a place much frequented by mostly gay priests in the area, since often there are photographers, and' a place in the spotlight. For them, there would be little discretion.'' But the appointments are also obtained in chat: gay.it or through the site 'Venerabilis', the web-site domain of the turkish-called 'Fraternity' homosexual of Roman Catholic priests'. Already the home page of the site states that it is''for and with the Roman Catholic Church and the Holy Father,''and''wanted to be help to the priests, religious and laity 'omosensibili' striving to experience the richness of life-Christian human aware of their limits.'' The policy and 'clear and distanced from the' gay lobby 'and the Italian associations that refer to the community' LGBT. But the best are the chatters who ask if you are a priest and if you want 'dialogue with serenity' in peace and chat '. Among the issues that chat 'Ask the priest', where 'can consult''with absolute confidence and peace of mind ..., priests, religious, and some laity, staff psychologist or physician.'' As in all self-respecting chat Venerabilis also has its moderators who banned (excluding ed) anyone who uses foul language or obscene. The priests gay? ''It's a phenomenon well established, especially with other popes 'cause Ratzinger led a campaign of witch-hunt, confusing homosexuality' and pedophilia.'' Alessio De Giorgi, director of gay.it not show surprise at the anticipation of the Panorama investigation on nights out of homosexual priests in Rome, but notes that the subject and '''polluted''by a certain prudishness.
PANORAMA INVESTIGATION, 'wild night' IN ROME / VATICAN ANSA PURE SCANDAL. ARCIGAY, THERE 'S NOTHING MALE (ANSA) - ROMA, 22 LUG - the morning to say Mass and for dinner on the gay bars: the double life of''numerous''Roman priests, of which, however, 'is revealed just some fancy name, is described in a article in the weekly Panorama on newsstands tomorrow by a reporter who visited them for several weeks, documenting his meetings with a hidden camera. Cover two hands together on a rosary of hair and trimmed with pink painted nails. Movies from tomorrow on the digital version of iPanorama sull'iPad, but with their faces blurred to protect the confidentiality''''interested parties. Pure''causing scandal,''said the only Vatican sources willing to talk about the case anonymously, in the general silence of those official of the Holy See of the Vicariate of Rome and the CEI, saying the lack of sufficient evidence to be sure that this was true of priests, and noted that this could be one of the many sea snakes''invented''for swimmers under the umbrella. After all, that of gay priest in Rome and 'an icon, with plenty of calendars sold in newsstands with the faces of young priests in robes and nice-looking attractive. The same reporter, who joined the tour with the help of a gay friend, admits that the first meeting, which took place July 2 at a gay party in a local neighborhood of Testaccio in Rome, he feared to have happened''in the hands of in bad faith or people of mythomania.'' Subsequent investigation however, appear to 'have convinced to the contrary, having recognized some men met in the gay Roman, while saying Mass in the church. Meanwhile Arcigay for the investigation, to say that some of its executives revealed truth 'already' known environment with a large catalog of chat and SMS services, laugh 'strength to the accusations of''homophobia''aimed at Church. ''There are so many homosexual priests, but this does not make them bad priests,''said Luca Trentini, national secretary of Arcigay, although this is not 'the view that the Vatican has always opposed, at least in words, with homosexual inclinations, in recent years has recognized on numerous' times that the doors of seminaries and religious orders can not be open to gays. The honorary president of Arcigay Franco Grillini things worse, saying that the celibacy of priests''and 'a joke''and that, if anything would be better to allow all priests, homosexual and heterosexual, to be able to live their sexuality' to sunlight and to marry. On this Pope Ratzinger has recently emphasized that there 'story, and that chastity' remains an essential ingredient of the priesthood, which is not 'a''job''but''total gift of himself' to God and the next.'' Many priests, however, 'the priest had admitted a priest close the meeting with the Pope, is''misguided.'' These include a self-styled young seminarian who, when asked by ANSA entrance of the Gay Village in Rome, reveals its trends. But, he says,''I do not feel sick.'' The editor of Panorama, George Mule ', denies that the investigation meets a tabloid intent. It claims to be''prepared to provide names, surnames and addresses of priests who have sexual activity, however, documented by video footage incontrovertible.''
VIA SMS CALL AND CHAT, SO 'IN ROME CLERO-RAVE/ANSA LOCAL organizing social events, less frequently GAY VILLAGE (Chiara Carenini) (ANSA) - ROMA, July 22 - Rave and only afterhours gay priests. The call travels via SMS and local people are always the same. But often the names of the local host private parties only for homosexual men are entrusted to chat. Just like going to raves and afterhours, dedicated and exclusive gatherings. Cosi 'in Rome we find the community' of gay priests, at least according to what is said Fabrizio Marrazzo Arcigay of Rome. ''It 's not a mystery that there are priests and priests in Rome who attend gay venues and environments - Marrazzo said - but of course it is private parties. Anyway, certainly do not condemn this.'' SMS and chat ensure anonymity and exclusivity '. Of these, whose names have been passed with a decent word of mouth, someone gravity the parties to the gay-street, Via di San Giovanni in Laterano, from other parts of Testaccio. As the '69 ', attended a meeting place for theme parties and only for gay men. At the Gay Village in Rome, one of the clubs' dedicated 'more open' largest in Italy, privacy and 'a must also because'''when they are certainly not wearing the robe.'' Pero 'someone you escape that, although the phenomenon is in sharp decline,''some seminarian is to dance here, obviously in disguise because' the Village 'always in the spotlight.'' About the investigation of the weekly Panorama, announcing a service in the next issue shows that priests found to attend the meeting places for gay Roman Marrazzo explained that the On 2 July, the eve of Gay Pride in the capital, the French priest referred to the local state could be'''69 'in the Testaccio district, where they often are organized for gay afterhours,''around 5 am . This falls within the local clubs where parties are organized for gay men. For Marrazzo, however,''the Gay Village and 'definitely a place much frequented by mostly gay priests in the area, since often there are photographers, and' a place in the spotlight. For them, there would be little discretion.'' But the appointments are also obtained in chat: gay.it or through the site 'Venerabilis', the web-site domain of the turkish-called 'Fraternity' homosexual of Roman Catholic priests'. Already the home page of the site states that it is''for and with the Roman Catholic Church and the Holy Father,''and''wanted to be help to the priests, religious and laity 'omosensibili' striving to experience the richness of life-Christian human aware of their limits.'' The policy and 'clear and distanced from the' gay lobby 'and the Italian associations that refer to the community' LGBT. But the best are the chatters who ask if you are a priest and if you want 'dialogue with serenity' in peace and chat '. Among the issues that chat 'Ask the priest', where 'can consult''with absolute confidence and peace of mind ..., priests, religious, and some laity, staff psychologist or physician.'' As in all self-respecting chat Venerabilis also has its moderators who banned (excluding ed) anyone who uses foul language or obscene. The priests gay? ''It's a phenomenon well established, especially with other popes 'cause Ratzinger led a campaign of witch-hunt, confusing homosexuality' and pedophilia.'' Alessio De Giorgi, director of gay.it not show surprise at the anticipation of the Panorama investigation on nights out of homosexual priests in Rome, but notes that the subject and '''polluted''by a certain prudishness.
PANORAMA INVESTIGATION, 'wild night' IN ROME / VATICAN ANSA PURE SCANDAL. ARCIGAY, THERE 'S NOTHING MALE (ANSA) - ROMA, 22 LUG - the morning to say Mass and for dinner on the gay bars: the double life of''numerous''Roman priests, of which, however, 'is revealed just some fancy name, is described in a article in the weekly Panorama on newsstands tomorrow by a reporter who visited them for several weeks, documenting his meetings with a hidden camera. Cover two hands together on a rosary of hair and trimmed with pink painted nails. Movies from tomorrow on the digital version of iPanorama sull'iPad, but with their faces blurred to protect the confidentiality''''interested parties. Pure''causing scandal,''said the only Vatican sources willing to talk about the case anonymously, in the general silence of those official of the Holy See of the Vicariate of Rome and the CEI, saying the lack of sufficient evidence to be sure that this was true of priests, and noted that this could be one of the many sea snakes''invented''for swimmers under the umbrella. After all, that of gay priest in Rome and 'an icon, with plenty of calendars sold in newsstands with the faces of young priests in robes and nice-looking attractive. The same reporter, who joined the tour with the help of a gay friend, admits that the first meeting, which took place July 2 at a gay party in a local neighborhood of Testaccio in Rome, he feared to have happened''in the hands of in bad faith or people of mythomania.'' Subsequent investigation however, appear to 'have convinced to the contrary, having recognized some men met in the gay Roman, while saying Mass in the church. Meanwhile Arcigay for the investigation, to say that some of its executives revealed truth 'already' known environment with a large catalog of chat and SMS services, laugh 'strength to the accusations of''homophobia''aimed at Church. ''There are so many homosexual priests, but this does not make them bad priests,''said Luca Trentini, national secretary of Arcigay, although this is not 'the view that the Vatican has always opposed, at least in words, with homosexual inclinations, in recent years has recognized on numerous' times that the doors of seminaries and religious orders can not be open to gays. The honorary president of Arcigay Franco Grillini things worse, saying that the celibacy of priests''and 'a joke''and that, if anything would be better to allow all priests, homosexual and heterosexual, to be able to live their sexuality' to sunlight and to marry. On this Pope Ratzinger has recently emphasized that there 'story, and that chastity' remains an essential ingredient of the priesthood, which is not 'a''job''but''total gift of himself' to God and the next.'' Many priests, however, 'the priest had admitted a priest close the meeting with the Pope, is''misguided.'' These include a self-styled young seminarian who, when asked by ANSA entrance of the Gay Village in Rome, reveals its trends. But, he says,''I do not feel sick.'' The editor of Panorama, George Mule ', denies that the investigation meets a tabloid intent. It claims to be''prepared to provide names, surnames and addresses of priests who have sexual activity, however, documented by video footage incontrovertible.''
Vatican sources, PANORAMA INVESTIGATION PURE SCANDAL (ANSA) - CITTA 'VATICAN, 22 LUG - E'''pure''causing scandal, according to authoritative Vatican sources, the investigation conducted by Panorama on gay priests. No comments at the news and 'come from official sources, but in places of the Holy See, the news is' no''appeared of evidence and detailed''and e 'was seen as''an attempt to find strong arguments at all costs to awaken readers under the umbrella,''like''a sea serpent.'' ''And even if you wanted to dissect a subject as 'complex and delicate as sexuality' of priests - the source added - an investigation of 15 days is not sufficient, however accurate.''
DIRECTOR PANORAMA, WE HAVE THE NAMES, ADDRESSES AND VIDEO (See 'gay priests: Vatican sources ...' OF 19:34) (ANSA) - ROMA, 22 LUG - The Panorama investigation on gay priests and 'documented: the specifies the director, George Mule ', in response to comments from Vatican sources that talk about no news'' concrete and detailed evidence.'' The anonymous''but 'authoritative Vatican sources' quoted by anxiety regarding the investigation of Panorama on nights out of gay priests in Rome - said Mule '- talk about a news' without hard evidence and circumstantial 'and and' branded an 'attempt to find strong arguments at all costs to awaken readers under the umbrella'. I wish to assure the anonymous Vatican sources asking them to go to newsstands to read the investigation. If it is not enough I'll be 'happy - if they decide to become obvious with the direction of Panorama - to provide their names, surnames and addresses of priests who have sexual activity, however, documented by video footage incontrovertible.'' I'' Our readers also will surely wake up from our investigation. But the anonymous sources I believe: we would have preferred not to disturb their rest - concludes Mule '- rather than tell this bleak story.''
FOR VATICAN incompatible couple (See 'CHURCH: PANORAMA; INQUIRY SHOCK ...' OF 16:15) (ANSA) - CITTA 'VATICAN, 22 LUG - Priest and gay duo impossible for the Vatican, which in 2005 at the behest of Pope Ratzinger recently ascended to the papacy, declared 'explicitly, unless ambiguity, which until then suggested that the Scriptures, teaching and tradition, and that means' that a homosexual can not' enter the seminary or a religious order . E 'of that year a special''Education'' prepared by the Congregation for Catholic Education, revised, corrected and made even more 'rigorous three years later, in 2008, to equate the substance of those who have homosexual relations with those of the posters just''trends.'' Inclinations that the congregation has since urged to check the application for the seminar with the help of psychologists and psychiatrists. Checks on which, however, and 'recently been a further crackdown, in an anti-pedophilia. The Catechism of the Catholic Church distinguishes between''homosexual acts'', which in Scripture are considered''serious sin,''and believes that the tradition''intrinsically immoral and contrary to natural law''and''the only trends sex,''defined as''objectively disordered.'' Being gay, however, explained 'by presenting the document of 2008, Cardinal Grocholewski,''and' a deviation, an irregularity ', a wound for those who must exercise the priesthood, which is also being a spiritual father and know how to relate to the other.'' No discrimination'',''however, made clear 'the document of 2005. Gays should be welcomed by the Church''with respect and sensitivity, avoiding any unfair trade.'' But not in seminars if the psychologist were to verify that the trends can not be''cured'', and also those who 'already' came to be discharged''''
Cricket, celibate priest is' Joke (ANSA) - ROMA, 22 LUG - Panorama service on nights out''of gay priests''shows, according to Franco Grillini, that''... the human sexuality, whether straight or gay, not suppress, and Š the celibacy of priests simply does not exist.'' ''With all due respect to those who make a choice of authentic faith and 'give up' to their sexuality ... for the ecclesiastical celibacy - says the director of the gay information "Gaynet and honorary president of Arcigay - need to • say that the sex scandals within the Roman Catholic church and the nonchalant behavior of a large number of priests we say that celibacy imposed on the clergy's a real outlet around. The human sexuality ... Š fact not suppressed and those who give up successfully's why, as it does not have libidinal impulses for 10-15% of the population. On the other hand, the celibacy imposed on priests Š a bit 'as the moralism of some right-wing politicians, then denied by bedwarmers all'amatriciana that fill the news' pecorecce.' "" It does away with celibacy, married priests to let themselves be included same sex, otherwise the fate of the Roman Catholic Church to be Š disproved every day by the misdeeds of its bureaucracy, "he concludes Grillini.
ARCIGAY, HOMOSEXUAL CAN 'BE GOOD PRIEST' IN RECENT YEARS IN THE CHURCH GAY CLOSE on seminars' (ANSA ) - ROMA, 22 LUG - "There are so many homosexual priests, but this does not make them bad priests" so 'Luca Trentini, national secretary of Arcigay, said the anticipation of the Panorama investigation on gay priests. A former seminarian, who was dismissed after 12 years in the seminary just because 'he had declared his homosexuality,' Trentini familiar with the religious environment. "That homosexuality 'between religious and not' a new phenomenon," he says, explaining that "the obligation of chastity 'and' against nature, the instincts must find an outlet for psychosis and not become so 'there' a proliferation of priests forced to live a double life, wearing a dress during the day and another in the evening, mainly living in hypocrisy. " Here is that "the way most 'easy' that paid sex." "Even within the Vatican there are priests living in homosexual relationships - he says Trentini - are hidden, invisible, and perhaps even better live the priesthood because 'I am certainly more' balanced than those who had broken." In the past he has known some Trentini and recalls in particular, "a priest who had a stable relationship with a boy that helped him to live in a more 'healthy his priesthood, even if the problem' that had to remain hidden." And in recent years, he adds, there 'was' further 'close' in the guidelines on the criteria for choosing the seminarians: gay people are removed, as well as heterosexuals defending the gay cause are screened carefully. Inside the church, then, who reveals his homosexuality 'is often invited to take a psychological journey to return to heterosexuality.' "The need 'to hide drove many gay priests to form support groups," who live in 'shadow and terror of being discovered. "
ALSO A WEBSITE TO CHAT BETWEEN' DON 'HOMOSEXUAL (ANSA) - ROMA, 22 LUG - The name' already 'evocative" Venerabilis' is a site of the so-called "Fraternity 'homosexual Roman Catholic priests. "The anonymous authors point out already' on the home page to be" for and with the Roman Catholic Church and the Holy Father, "and wanted to be" help priests, religious and laity 'omosensibili' who strive to live the richness of life-Christian aware of his limitations. "On the concept of" omosensibile "insist very much, and distanced himself from the" gay lobby "and the Italian associations which refer to the community 'LGBT. The "strong point" of the chat Venerabilis are: clicking, you are immediately asked if you are a priest and if you want to "talk with serenity' and chat in peace." You can 'chat in different languages Italian, English, French and English. C'Š also chat "Ask the priest," where S "... you can see with absolute tranquility and privacy, as well as priests, religious and lay people, trained staff (psychologist or doctor). "As chat sharing your own experience and thought - it is stated on the site - a must Š respect, in words and attitudes, towards people who access it. Those who specifically ask about sex or using foul and abusive language will be banned (expelled from the chat) without notice.
PANORAMA, BUT NOT SCANDAL CHRONICLE PHENOMENON (See 'CHURCH: PANORAMA; INQUIRY SHOCK ...' OF 16 : 15) (ANSA) - ROMA, 22 LUG -''Our intent is not 'making outrageous, but to show that it is not an isolated case: there is a community' of priests subject to certain behavior.''Lo says Giorgio Mule ', editor of the weekly Panorama, which public inquiry tomorrow shock on some Roman priests found to attend the meeting places and gay movies with a hidden camera during night parties with 'prostitutes' and even during some homosexual relations with casual partners. And''It 'been a long and painstaking: the investigation - said Mule' - and 'started on July 2 on the ground, in Rome, and it' went on until 17, as long as necessary to verify if were really priests. When we have ascertained in at least four cases, we stopped: the subject is' already 'per se' embarrassing, our reporter and then in danger of being too exposed. Material we have so much: we have limited ourselves in this first episode to give the elements granite of the story, then we will see how to proceed.'' In order not to fall into voyeurism''- said the director of Panorama - we avoided to make visible the priests, and we also kept vague on the details of place names, knowing exactly who they are, what they do, in which churches celebrate.''
MANCUSO (ARCIGAY) WHAT TO NOTE, TOO WITH BISHOP (ANSA) - ROMA, 22 LUG - How many priests are gay and looking for sex, even to pay with men and not'''a''news' : not 'surprised, Aurelio Mancuso, the historic leader of the community' LGBT Italian,''Panorama''investigation on gay priests. ''I, too, about fifteen years ago, I had an affair with a monsignor,'' adds. In the''community 'has always known - said the former president of Arcigay - and' very unusual for priests to attend a meeting place for homosexuals, such as saunas, bars and discos. Places where you do not go anyway just to have sex, but also to meet people. And maybe they did get the card Arcigay.'' With their real name? Why do'''not, so are protected by privacy laws.'' And the lord? The history''and 'for six months, it was 1994 or 1995. It was here in Rome, he was a senior Vatican official. Then I lost track, but I think he is still in Rome.'' And the high priest is not 'the only priest with whom Mancuso had a story:''There have been other, and sometimes I discovered only after they were priests.''
FOR VATICAN incompatible couple (See 'CHURCH: PANORAMA; INQUIRY SHOCK ...' OF 16:15) (ANSA) - CITTA 'VATICAN, 22 LUG - Priest and gay duo impossible for the Vatican, which in 2005 at the behest of Pope Ratzinger recently ascended to the papacy, declared 'explicitly, unless ambiguity, which until then suggested that the Scriptures, teaching and tradition, and that means' that a homosexual can not' enter the seminary or a religious order . E 'of that year a special''Education'' prepared by the Congregation for Catholic Education, revised, corrected and made even more 'rigorous three years later, in 2008, to equate the substance of those who have homosexual relations with those of the posters just''trends.'' Inclinations that the congregation has since urged to check the application for the seminar with the help of psychologists and psychiatrists. Checks on which, however, and 'recently been a further crackdown, in an anti-pedophilia. The Catechism of the Catholic Church distinguishes between''homosexual acts'', which in Scripture are considered''serious sin,''and believes that the tradition''intrinsically immoral and contrary to natural law''and''the only trends sex,''defined as''objectively disordered.'' Being gay, however, explained 'by presenting the document of 2008, Cardinal Grocholewski,''and' a deviation, an irregularity ', a wound for those who must exercise the priesthood, which is also being a spiritual father and know how to relate to the other.'' No discrimination'',''however, made clear 'the document of 2005. Gays should be welcomed by the Church''with respect and sensitivity, avoiding any unfair trade.'' But not in seminars if the psychologist were to verify that the trends can not be''cured'', and also those who 'already' came to be discharged''''
Cricket, celibate priest is' Joke (ANSA) - ROMA, 22 LUG - Panorama service on nights out''of gay priests''shows, according to Franco Grillini, that''... the human sexuality, whether straight or gay, not suppress, and Š the celibacy of priests simply does not exist.'' ''With all due respect to those who make a choice of authentic faith and 'give up' to their sexuality ... for the ecclesiastical celibacy - says the director of the gay information "Gaynet and honorary president of Arcigay - need to • say that the sex scandals within the Roman Catholic church and the nonchalant behavior of a large number of priests we say that celibacy imposed on the clergy's a real outlet around. The human sexuality ... Š fact not suppressed and those who give up successfully's why, as it does not have libidinal impulses for 10-15% of the population. On the other hand, the celibacy imposed on priests Š a bit 'as the moralism of some right-wing politicians, then denied by bedwarmers all'amatriciana that fill the news' pecorecce.' "" It does away with celibacy, married priests to let themselves be included same sex, otherwise the fate of the Roman Catholic Church to be Š disproved every day by the misdeeds of its bureaucracy, "he concludes Grillini.
ARCIGAY, HOMOSEXUAL CAN 'BE GOOD PRIEST' IN RECENT YEARS IN THE CHURCH GAY CLOSE on seminars' (ANSA ) - ROMA, 22 LUG - "There are so many homosexual priests, but this does not make them bad priests" so 'Luca Trentini, national secretary of Arcigay, said the anticipation of the Panorama investigation on gay priests. A former seminarian, who was dismissed after 12 years in the seminary just because 'he had declared his homosexuality,' Trentini familiar with the religious environment. "That homosexuality 'between religious and not' a new phenomenon," he says, explaining that "the obligation of chastity 'and' against nature, the instincts must find an outlet for psychosis and not become so 'there' a proliferation of priests forced to live a double life, wearing a dress during the day and another in the evening, mainly living in hypocrisy. " Here is that "the way most 'easy' that paid sex." "Even within the Vatican there are priests living in homosexual relationships - he says Trentini - are hidden, invisible, and perhaps even better live the priesthood because 'I am certainly more' balanced than those who had broken." In the past he has known some Trentini and recalls in particular, "a priest who had a stable relationship with a boy that helped him to live in a more 'healthy his priesthood, even if the problem' that had to remain hidden." And in recent years, he adds, there 'was' further 'close' in the guidelines on the criteria for choosing the seminarians: gay people are removed, as well as heterosexuals defending the gay cause are screened carefully. Inside the church, then, who reveals his homosexuality 'is often invited to take a psychological journey to return to heterosexuality.' "The need 'to hide drove many gay priests to form support groups," who live in 'shadow and terror of being discovered. "
ALSO A WEBSITE TO CHAT BETWEEN' DON 'HOMOSEXUAL (ANSA) - ROMA, 22 LUG - The name' already 'evocative" Venerabilis' is a site of the so-called "Fraternity 'homosexual Roman Catholic priests. "The anonymous authors point out already' on the home page to be" for and with the Roman Catholic Church and the Holy Father, "and wanted to be" help priests, religious and laity 'omosensibili' who strive to live the richness of life-Christian aware of his limitations. "On the concept of" omosensibile "insist very much, and distanced himself from the" gay lobby "and the Italian associations which refer to the community 'LGBT. The "strong point" of the chat Venerabilis are: clicking, you are immediately asked if you are a priest and if you want to "talk with serenity' and chat in peace." You can 'chat in different languages Italian, English, French and English. C'Š also chat "Ask the priest," where S "... you can see with absolute tranquility and privacy, as well as priests, religious and lay people, trained staff (psychologist or doctor). "As chat sharing your own experience and thought - it is stated on the site - a must Š respect, in words and attitudes, towards people who access it. Those who specifically ask about sex or using foul and abusive language will be banned (expelled from the chat) without notice.
PANORAMA, BUT NOT SCANDAL CHRONICLE PHENOMENON (See 'CHURCH: PANORAMA; INQUIRY SHOCK ...' OF 16 : 15) (ANSA) - ROMA, 22 LUG -''Our intent is not 'making outrageous, but to show that it is not an isolated case: there is a community' of priests subject to certain behavior.''Lo says Giorgio Mule ', editor of the weekly Panorama, which public inquiry tomorrow shock on some Roman priests found to attend the meeting places and gay movies with a hidden camera during night parties with 'prostitutes' and even during some homosexual relations with casual partners. And''It 'been a long and painstaking: the investigation - said Mule' - and 'started on July 2 on the ground, in Rome, and it' went on until 17, as long as necessary to verify if were really priests. When we have ascertained in at least four cases, we stopped: the subject is' already 'per se' embarrassing, our reporter and then in danger of being too exposed. Material we have so much: we have limited ourselves in this first episode to give the elements granite of the story, then we will see how to proceed.'' In order not to fall into voyeurism''- said the director of Panorama - we avoided to make visible the priests, and we also kept vague on the details of place names, knowing exactly who they are, what they do, in which churches celebrate.''
MANCUSO (ARCIGAY) WHAT TO NOTE, TOO WITH BISHOP (ANSA) - ROMA, 22 LUG - How many priests are gay and looking for sex, even to pay with men and not'''a''news' : not 'surprised, Aurelio Mancuso, the historic leader of the community' LGBT Italian,''Panorama''investigation on gay priests. ''I, too, about fifteen years ago, I had an affair with a monsignor,'' adds. In the''community 'has always known - said the former president of Arcigay - and' very unusual for priests to attend a meeting place for homosexuals, such as saunas, bars and discos. Places where you do not go anyway just to have sex, but also to meet people. And maybe they did get the card Arcigay.'' With their real name? Why do'''not, so are protected by privacy laws.'' And the lord? The history''and 'for six months, it was 1994 or 1995. It was here in Rome, he was a senior Vatican official. Then I lost track, but I think he is still in Rome.'' And the high priest is not 'the only priest with whom Mancuso had a story:''There have been other, and sometimes I discovered only after they were priests.''
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